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- Pro-160 / 360 Fault Codes
- Pro-160 / 360 Temperature Sensors
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 to Hall Throttle Wiring
- JSK-120 Driving Two Pro-360s
- RBT and Pro-160 / 360 P3 Pot Fault
- Pro-160 / 360 Dual Control
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Radio Control Failsafe
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 to JSK-100 wiring
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Failsafe Contactor
- Double Heading the Pro-100 / 160 / 360
- Pro-160 Layout Diagrams
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Software Versions
- Use with shunt wound motors
- Use with Series Wound Motors
- Updating Firmware
- Double Heading Pro-160 / 360 & 4QD Series
- Push Button Mode With Limit Switches.
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Troubleshooting
- Speed Sensor Ratio
- Push Button - Forward / Off / Reverse Operation
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- Pro-160 / 360 Fault Codes
- Pro-160 / 360 Temperature Sensors
- Pro-360 Heatsink Removal and Replacement
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 to Hall Throttle Wiring
- JSK-120 Driving Two Pro-360s
- RBT and Pro-160 / 360 P3 Pot Fault
- Pro-160 / 360 Dual Control
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Radio Control Failsafe
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 to JSK-100 wiring
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Failsafe Contactor
- Double Heading the Pro-100 / 160 / 360
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Software Versions
- Updating Firmware
- Use with shunt wound motors
- Use with Series Wound Motors
- Double Heading Pro-160 / 360 & 4QD Series
- Push Button Mode With Limit Switches.
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Troubleshooting
- Pro-360 Locknut Service Bulletin
- Speed Sensor Ratio
- Push Button - Forward / Off / Reverse Operation
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- Pro-100 Fault Codes
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 to Hall Throttle Wiring
- RBT and Pro-160 / 360 P3 Pot Fault
- Pro-160 / 360 Dual Control
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Radio Control Failsafe
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 to JSK-100 wiring
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Failsafe Contactor
- Double Heading the Pro-100 / 160 / 360
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Software Versions
- Updating Firmware
- Use with shunt wound motors
- Use with Series Wound Motors
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 Troubleshooting
- Speed Sensor Ratio
- Push Button - Forward / Off / Reverse Operation
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- Mosfet Insulator Arrangement DNO & Porter
- How To Wire Up a Porter 5
- Closed Loop Current Control
- Fitting a Porter to a PDQ Power trike
- Driving the Porter by Raspberry Pi
- Porter: Disabling Regenerative Braking
- Porter Current Limit Adjustment
- DMR-203 Radio Control of a Porter 5 / 10
- Porter 40 Speed Controller
- Porter 40: Use with PWM Input
- Porter Troubleshooting
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- PRO-150 Overview
- Double Heading for the Pro-150 and 4QD Series
- Pro-150 Hall Throttle Supply
- Pro-150 Hall Throttle Programming
- Pro-150 Push Button Use
- Use with shunt wound motors
- Pro-150 Fault Finding Guide
- Pro-150 Pt Fault Code
- Pro-150 programmable parameters
- Pro-150 Mechanical Information
- Pro-150 Basic Wiring Diagram
- Fraser Golf Buggies, Wiring for Pro-150
- DMR-203: Use with PRO-150 Controllers
- Pro-150 Capacitor Modification
- PRO-150 Current Limit
- PRO-150 Issue History
- PRO-150 Joystick Programming
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- 4QD-200/300 Overview
- Double Heading for the Pro-150 and 4QD Series
- Control Board Jumper Positions
- Ampflow motor
- Damage From Blown Mosfets
- DMR-203: Use with 4QD Series Controllers
- Battery Contactor for 4QD-200 / 300
- Adjustment for 48V
- Inhibit switch / footbrake - 4QD series only [tour 16]
- Forward / Off / Reverse Mode (4QD Series)
- Converting Parking Brake to Brake Light
- Disabling HPLO on Early 4QD Models
- Inhibit Ramp Modification [4QD series]
- Over voltage protection in the 4QD series
- Deadband values and removal
- How to dismantle the 4QD series
- Fault finding on the 4QD series
- Testing the 4QD Base Board and MOSFETs
- Reverse Acceptance Threshold [RAT] Modification
- Current limit resistors
- Use with Tacho Feedback Board
- Control Board Modification [Pre June 2010]
- Reverse Speed Modification [pre issue 17]
- Reversing Latch Modification [pre issue 16]
- Damage from a Reversed Battery (4QD Series)
- Mixing 4QD 150 / 200 / 300 series boards
- 4QD version history
- Inhibit
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- Damage from Reversed Batteries (NCC/VTX)
- Waveforms and Fault Finding
- Ramp Timings (NCC)
- Internal Power Supply and Protection Circuitry
- Fitting Expansion Connector
- NCC Speed Controller
- VTX and NCC Operating Voltages
- NCC Circuit Description
- VTX / NCC Fault Finding
- NCC Mark 2 Issue Number History
- NCC Mark 1 Issue Number History
- NCC Key Components
- NCC Zener Diode Failure
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- Internal Power Supply and Protection Circuitry
- Current Limiting in the Pro-120 [and others]
- Pro-120 Mk1 History
- Pro-120 Mk2 History
- Pro-120 Key Components
- Earth Fuses: Why Do They Blow?
- Modifying the Pro-120 for other voltages
- Pro-120 Fault Finding Tips
- PRO-120: Multiple Slaves
- PRO-120 Ramp Reduction
- Fitting Expansion Connector
- Pro-120 Modification to give Uni-Directional Control
- Pro-120 Robot Wars Version
- Pro-120 Ignition Options
- Battery Discharge Protection: PRO-120
- Pro 120 Mark 1 Speed Controller
- PRO 120 Mark 1 - Additional Diagrams
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Application Notes
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- Alternative Double Heading [MU] Solution
- Double Ended Tram Control
- Loco Wiring: Auto Reversing Lights
- Speed to RPM Calculator
- Noise Suppression for Multiple Motors
- DCC / Airwire Interface
- Phoenix Loco Wiring
- Loco Wiring: Hand Control & Horn Relay Board
- Double Heading Problems
- Motors in Parallel
- Basic Model Loco Installation [with RBT and HRB]
- Low Pulling Power
- Radio Control
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Technical
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- Speed to RPM Calculator
- Noise Suppression for Multiple Motors
- Improving Heat Dissipation
- A Basic Installation
- Motor Noise Suppression
- Catching diodes
- Multi speed control
- Parking Brakes in Series
- Fuses and Circuit Breakers
- Radio Control Wiring Hints
- Typical Wiring for the PRO-150, DNO, VTX and NCC Controllers
- Wiring for Hand Control and Radio Control
- Wiring for Push Button Use
- Good Wiring Practise
- Motors in Parallel
- Push Button Mode With Limit Switches.
- Forward / off / reverse mode or push-button operation
- Basic Model Loco Installation [with RBT and HRB]
- Pro-100 / 160 / 360 to Hall Throttle Wiring
- How do I select the parts?
- Use With Switch Mode Power Supplies
- Push Button - Forward / Off / Reverse Operation
- Wiring for Curtis ET-126MCU
- Radio Control
- DIN Socket Wiring
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- Current limit
- PCB numbers
- Acceleration and Deceleration Ramps
- Thermal shutdown
- Ignition
- Power down state
- Ramps
- Reversing
- Overvoltage protection
- Battery Discharge Protection
- Joystick [aka wig-wag]
- Parking brake driver
- Pot Fault Detection
- High Pot Lockout HPLO
- Reverse polarity protection [tour 26]
- Main Capacitor
- Radio control interface
- Tacho Generator Feedback
- Voltage Following
- What Does a Motor Speed Controller Do?
- Ignition Circuit
- Coulomb Counting
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- Using a BMS with a Motor Controller
- Mosfet Alternatives
- Testing an Electric Motor
- What is EMC [Electromagnetic Compatibility]?
- Closed Loop Current Control
- Battery Current and Motor Current
- MOSFETs
- Half bridge
- Switching frequency
- What is Regenerative Braking?
- Batteries
- Customised Arc Potentiometers
- What is PWM Motor Control
- Full Bridge
- Towing
- Torque
- Surge Currents
- Speed Stability
- Quadrants
- Heat
- Thermal shutdown
- Heatsinking
- Choosing a Controller
- Earth Track Fuse and Earth Loops
- Tacho Set-Up
- Charging a 24V Battery From a 12V Source
- What Voltage Should I Use? [12, 24, 36, or 48V]
- Positional Servo Control [DNO / VTX]
- POT Dead Band
- Why Do Mosfets Fail?
- Back EMF & Internal Resistance
- Use of Generators with Speed Controllers
- Control by Microprocessor
- Foot Pedal Idea
- Coulomb Counting
- Low Pulling Power
- Curtis Equivalents
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POT Dead Band
With all controllers, operating from a standard potentiometer, there will be a ‘dead band’ at the bottom of the pot, where turning the speed pot does nothing at all.
This page describes the many factors that contribute to this dead band. We refer here specifically to the Pro-120 Mk1 and NCC series controllers, but most of these factors apply to any controller (of whatever manufacture) and any potentiometer.
The factors
- Pot’s dead band
- Controller’s dead band
- Controller’s gain
- Motor stiction
Pot’s dead band
All rotary pots have a mechanical ‘dead band’ at top and bottom of the pot, where movement of the pot has no electrical effect: this is to do with the pot’s manufacture and the way current is fed to the potentiometer at the end of the track. You will find in the specification for any potentiometer two figures:
- Mechanical travel. A typical figure might be 300°
- Electrical travel. A typical figure might be 280°
So there is a difference between the two of 20° – which implies that the top and bottom 10° of mechanical movement have absolutely no electrical effect.
Another cause of excessive deadband can be the wrong law of pot: Potentiometers come not only in linear but also log law and antilog law. A linear pot will be marked 10KA – 10K resistance, and the A meaning ‘linear’. Log pots have G, not A and will cause excessive dead band.
Controller’s dead band
Because operations (such as reversing in the Pro-120 and NCC) have to take place at zero speed, there has to be a dead band in the controller where such actions could be done before the controller starts to feed any voltage at all top the motor.
Mark 2 controllers
In the VTX, Mark 2 NCC and Mk 2 Pro, this dead band is reduced (and it is also adjustable) from the value in the Mark 1 controllers. If you are inquiring for information on the dead band – you probably think it’s too big, so probably have a Mark 1 controller. We will explain then the situation, with these earlier controllers:
Full speed occurs at around 3 volts input to the modulator. However the modulation starts at around 0.5 volts. So there is a dead band built into the modulator of .5 in 3 or about 17%. So you will have to turn the pot so that the input is 17% of the full speed voltage before the modulator starts to deliver voltage to the motor.
The VTX initially had
- adjustable RAT (Relay Acceptance Threshold) – the point where the relay makes as the demand speed in increased from zero.
- Adjustable MST (Modulation start threshold) – the point where the modulator start to apply voltage to the motor.
However we found these adjustments caused confusion so on later issue VTX they are replaced with fixed resistors such that RAT is about 140mV and MST is about 215mV. Both value measured on pin B/C of the expansion connector, i.e. after the ramp circuit. Full speed is approximately 2.95v above MST
Controller’s gain
If you have the gain control adjusted so that you do not use full speed, then the top part of the control range is lost to you, and the bottom part is expanded pro-rata. So if you set the gain such that you can only go to half speed on the motor, the controller’s electrical dead band doubles from 17% to 33%.
Motor stiction
If you feed a small voltage to a motor, even an unloaded motor, the motor will not move. It requires a finite voltage before it does anything. Typically an unloaded motor may require about 10% of its full speed voltage before it starts to move. This figure varies greatly from motor to motor – and is worsened significantly by any load on the motor.
Cumulative effect
All of the above effects – pot dead band, controller dead band and stiction, are all cumulative. But you will see that the major contribution, with the Mark 1 controllers, is the controller’s own internal deadband, multiplied by the effects of any top speed reduction you have made on the gain preset.
The Mark 2 Pro-120 and NCC and VTX controllers have a much reduced deadband (which you can further adjust out).